Too bad, So sad

[ICE]

It's just a shame when this happens.



It's probably not what you are thinking.

 

[Msradell]

Okay, I give up, what happened?

 

[jar546]

It was done neatly

 

[ICE]

It was done neatly

Yes it was and I expect it to be just as neat when they do it over.

I do see a neutral violation but that would be easy to fix.

Some of the bends are too tight. But that's not the fatal flaw either.

 

[gfretwell]

All those ground wires under 2 lugs?

 

[chris kennedy]

Is there a 200.2(B) violation?

 

[jar546]

Yes it was and I expect it to be just as neat when they do it over.I do see a neutral violation but that would be easy to fix.

Some of the bends are too tight. But that's not the fatal flaw either.

The neutral violation that I see is what Chris pointed out. If that is not the fatal flaw then I would like to know what is? Bends like that we mention not to do again but let go.

I am assuming this is not a subfed panel.

 

[rnapier]

If those bare wires are GEC than it also is a 250.24(A) violation.

 

[jar546]

If those bare wires are GEC than it also is a 250.24(A) violation.

I believe correcting 200.2(B) will automatically correct 250.24(A)

 

[chris kennedy]

It's not 200.2(B), just got a better look at the pic.

 

[chris kennedy]

Connectors not listed for damp/wet locations?

 

[Gregg Harris]

The neutral violation that I see is what Chris pointed out. If that is not the fatal flaw then I would like to know what is? Bends like that we mention not to do again but let go. I am assuming this is not a subfed panel.

What code section would pertain to the bends?

I do not believe one exists for this scenario in the NEC.

 

[jj1289]

Don't forget to check the number of mini breakers permitted in the panel by the mfg.

 

[Span]

Needs bonding between neutral & grounding, and 210.4

 

[steveray]

Where are all of the grounds for the circuits coming in?

 

[retire09]

My guess is that this is NMB cables without proper connectors and no sheath entering the panel.

Plus I would suspect the panel is recessed into the stuccoed wall and not maintaining the 1/4" air gap behind the panel.

The panel is mounted with a lag screw in the back rather than using the mounting holes provided.

Also the openings in the back are above the energized parts and don't appear to be approved.

 

[mjesse]

Don't forget to check the number of mini breakers permitted in the panel by the mfg.

This guy ^

408.54

 

[TimNY]

Does the mfr allow field modification of the panelboard?

Would the 200.2(B) violation be corrected by running a conductor from one bar to the other? Chris says it's not a violation.. so is it an issue or no?

 

[rshuey]

So they braided all of the grounding conductors together to look pretty?

 

[steveray]

Damnit ICE....Inquiring minds want to know!.....

 

[rshuey]

I wanna see a pic of the underside of the service panel.

 

[steveray]

So they braided all of the grounding conductors together to look pretty?

But they all come in their own raceway?....300.3?

 

[chris kennedy]

Does the mfr allow field modification of the panelboard?Would the 200.2(B) violation be corrected by running a conductor from one bar to the other? Chris says it's not a violation.. so is it an issue or no?

If you enlarge the pic enough you can see a bus running between the bottoms of the neutral bars.

 

[TimNY]

If you enlarge the pic enough you can see a bus running between the bottoms of the neutral bars.

Thanks, Chris. If there were no bus between them, could a conductor be run between them to satisfy the requirement?

Tim