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Too bad, So sad

Discussion in 'Electrical Codes' started by ICE, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. rshuey

    rshuey Registered User

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    I wanna see a pic of the underside of the service panel.
     
  2. steveray

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    But they all come in their own raceway?....300.3?
     
  3. chris kennedy

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    If you enlarge the pic enough you can see a bus running between the bottoms of the neutral bars.
     
  4. TimNY

    TimNY Platinum Member

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    Thanks, Chris. If there were no bus between them, could a conductor be run between them to satisfy the requirement?

    Tim
     
  5. TimNY

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    I think this panel is surface mounted.. probably over an existing recessed panel which is probably some violation (looks like a chase nipple there at the bottom). It looks like the GEC's come up the outside of the building and enter the bottom of the panel.

    Might there also be a bonding issue if the panel is over 250v? The locknut for the chase nipple is on the outside of the enclosure.

    Tim
     
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  6. chris kennedy

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    All good, its a Siemens MC4020B1200S.
     
  7. jwelectric

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    does anyone else have a problem with the 3R enclosure having fittings higher than the bus bars? I see two in the lower left side of this enclosure
     
  8. Gregg Harris

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    I would agree that it appears to be a panel over a panel.
     
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  9. ICE

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    Here is another view.

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    Thanks for finding the bus bar Chris.

    This is a service upgrade. It is surface mounted over a hole in the wall. The hole is where the original flush enclosure was located. I encounter this method on a regular basis.

    They always claim that there are no splices in the wall cavity. This guy cut holes in a bedroom wall to prove it.

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    Many times there are no splices and they have to change it anyway.
     
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  10. Dennis

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    That is the first thing I saw however that is an easy fix with sealing locknuts
     
  11. ICE

    ICE Moderator

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    What code section applies to that?

    Thanks Dennis, you answered my question at Mike Holt's forum.

     
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  12. ICE

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    The first one of the week and it's only Monday.

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  13. MASSDRIVER

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    They need less smart phone and more elect....elect...*GACK* electrician. There; choked it out.

    Brent.
     
  14. ICE

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    Well I had just one this week....and they fixed it.

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    Of course there are a few new violations but all in all the kid is not to bad with tools.

    A couple more inspections should do the trick. They also learned plenty about wall furnaces.
     
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  15. ICE

    ICE Moderator

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    Makes me wonder how big the hole is behind this one.
     
  16. Norcal

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    You should really love the "workmanship" here.

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    What behind the Murray panel is the remains of a Zinsco/Sylvania semi-flush panel. BTW it passed "inspection" for whatever that is worth. :( Just for the record, I did not do it, could not sleep at night if I did.
     
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  17. ICE

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    That "inspection" was worthless.
     
  18. Norcal

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    Your being kind. Probably would have better off getting a aftermarket replacement Zinsco bus kit, replacing the bad breaker(s) & calling it a day, but that still won't fix the # 2 parallel aluminum that was run without any conduit & that I would bet was left & spliced behind the new panel, somewhere there is a photo of it as it was.
     
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    Wonder if the utility company set the meter, or they moved it and utility company was not involved
     
  20. ICE

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    The POCO seal is there.
     

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