What is the difference between a "metal building" and a "metal framed building"?

[ccollings]

in the IECC table C402.2 under wall insulation there are different requirements for a "metal building" and a "metal framed building". I can't find anywhere that defines what the difference is.

 

[e hilton]

IMHO … a metal building has structural steel columns and rafters with sheetmetal skin. A farm style building. A metal framed building could have structural steel columns with brick veneer and asphalt shingles. Or a built-up flat roof.

 

[bill1952]

Interesting question. I would have thought metal siding makes it a metal building, whether stick (wood or steel studs ) frame or post frame. A steel framed building would be structural steel which would include the pre-engineeted style: Butler buildings, red iron buildings, etc. But I don't know. Someone call ICC?

 

[ccollings]

IMHO … a metal building has structural steel columns and rafters with sheetmetal skin. A farm style building. A metal framed building could have structural steel columns with brick veneer and asphalt shingles. Or a built-up flat roof.

that's my interpretation as well. the project i'm doing is a pre-engineered steel frame building with metal siding which falls squarely in the metal building category no matter how you slice it.

 

[Yikes]

Metal frame building:




Metal building:

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Then there is heavy metal construction.

 

[mtlogcabin]

IMHO
Metal Framed = Steel stud construction
Metal Building = metal columns Purlins and Girders

 

[Sifu]

This building designation and difference in required insulation doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Both appear to require cavity insulation as well as continuous insulation. That implies that there is a framing cavity in both. If a metal building is a structural steel superstructure, like a PEMB, with structural steel columns, girts, beams, etc., are they not often constructed without traditional framing cavities? Does the energy code now disallow that? If a metal framed building is a building with all light gauge, cold formed, repetitive members without a structural steel superstructure, it naturally has the cavities. If both have cavities and cavity insulation (of the same R-value), why the difference in the continuous insulation value?

The descriptions I offer and it seems others as well make sense to me, but they really should be defined, maybe that would help eliminate my confusion. I may have the opportunity to ask some of the energy guru's this week, I'll report if I gain any useful knowledge.

 

[PatrickGSR94]

IMHO
Metal Framed = Steel stud construction
Metal Building = metal columns Purlins and Girders

This is correct. Metal framed = framed walls using metal studs (not wood framed, wood studs).

Metal building is short for "pre-engineered metal building" which is a system of rigid steel frames, with horizontal wall girts (purlins at the roof) spanning between the frames, usually 20-25 foot spans, spaced every 3 to 5 feet vertically. Then vertical metal siding on the outside, and sometimes with vinyl-faced fiberglass insulation sandwiched in between the girts/purlins and the outer metal skin.

The cavity vs. continuous insulation has to do with the thermal bridging. With both types of construction, there's thermal bridging happening at each vertical metal stud, or at each horizontal metal girt/purlin. The addition of continuous insulation outside the framing helps to reduce or eliminate the thermal briding effect.

 

[Katy.Kjelvik]

This is correct. Metal framed = framed walls using metal studs (not wood framed, wood studs).

Metal building is short for "pre-engineered metal building" which is a system of rigid steel frames, with horizontal wall girts (purlins at the roof) spanning between the frames, usually 20-25 foot spans, spaced every 3 to 5 feet vertically. Then vertical metal siding on the outside, and sometimes with vinyl-faced fiberglass insulation sandwiched in between the girts/purlins and the outer metal skin.

The cavity vs. continuous insulation has to do with the thermal bridging. With both types of construction, there's thermal bridging happening at each vertical metal stud, or at each horizontal metal girt/purlin. The addition of continuous insulation outside the framing helps to reduce or eliminate the thermal briding effect.

Agree. I've worked with many PEMB projects. Up "north" it's not too unusual to have both. I'm used to seeing a pre-manufactured insulated panel as the exterior skin - providing the continuous rigid insulation. This in addition to the interior insulation.

 

[neyox]

This building designation and difference in required insulation doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Both appear to require cavity insulation as well as continuous insulation. That implies that there is a framing cavity in both. If a metal building is a structural steel superstructure, like a PEMB, with structural steel columns, girts, beams, etc., are they not often constructed without traditional framing cavities? Consulting a knowledgeable metal building contractor could clarify whether the energy code now disallows that. If a metal-framed building is a building with all light gauge, cold-formed, repetitive members without a structural steel superstructure, it naturally has the cavities. If both have cavities and cavity insulation of the same R-value, why the difference in the continuous insulation value?

The descriptions I offer and it seems others as well make sense to me, but they really should be defined, maybe that would help eliminate my confusion. I may have the opportunity to ask some of the energy guru's this week, I'll report if I gain any useful knowledge.

Hello. I am currently working on a block of flats where the whole building is steel-framed. My question is really... does it need to be earthed? Thanks

 

[ICE]

250.30(A)(8)
Bonding. Structural steel and metal piping shall be connected to the grounded conductor of a separately derived system in accordance with 250.104(D).

250.104 Bonding of Piping Systems and Exposed Structural Metal.
(D) Separately Derived Systems. Metal water piping systems and structural metal that is interconnected to form a building frame shall be bonded to separately derived systems in accordance with 250.104(D) (1) through 250.104(D) (3).

(2) Structural Metal. If exposed structural metal that is inter-connected to form the building frame exists in the area served by the separately derived system, it shall be bonded to the grounded conductor of each separately derived system. This connection shall be made at the same point on the separately derived system where the grounding electrode conductor is connected. Each bonding jumper shall be sized in accordance with Table 250.102(C)(1) based on the largest ungrounded conductor of the separately derived system except that it shall not be required to be larger than 3/0 copper or 250 kcmil aluminum or copper-clad aluminum.

Exception No. 1: A separate bonding jumper to the building structural metal shall not be required if the metal frame of a building or structure is used as the grounding electrode for the separately derived system.

Exception No. 2: A separate bonding jumper to the building structural metal shall not be required if the water piping of a building or structure is used as the grounding electrode for a separately derived system and is bonded to the building structural metal in the area served by the separately derived system.

 

[Yankee Chronicler]

Then there is heavy metal construction.

And then there's heavy metal