I stopped wondering what other inspectors allow a long time ago. The contractors run the gamut, from real good to, "I'll be with you as soon as we find Fredo's thumb", terrible.Mule said:The other inspector needs to be made aware of his mistakes.My question.... it appears you have a lot of construction going on by the amount of pictures you post. And from as many pictures as you post of faulty construction I have to wonder what the "other" inspectors have been allowing over the past! At some point in time you would think that the contractors would be semi trained to half way do it right! Good for you Tiger for getting some of the construction corrected!
Near 4 million....My area is perhaps 70KYankee said:Maybe we can stop knocking other building inspectors for the most part? I'm glad there are some places where all the issues are identified upon inspection, but you are living in a dream world if you believe that to be the case in the majority of jurisdictions. ICE, what is the population of your jurisdiction (and what are you responsible for inspecting?)
My question was more toward how many inspectors work in your same geographic area, or are you responsible for all of the types of inspections in your geographical area (or, what types of inspections are you responsible for)?ICE said:Near 4 million....My area is perhaps 70K In both cases that are pictured a header was installed and hold downs were added at each end of the shear wall.
There is usually just me. Lately I have been training an inspector so I have another inspectors help for half a day. I do all types of inspections.Yankee said:My question was more toward how many inspectors work in your same geographic area, or are you responsible for all of the types of inspections in your geographical area (or, what types of inspections are you responsible for)?
So when you said "What do I do when another inspector approved this at the foundation inspection?" are you referring to your trainee?ICE said:There is usually just me. Lately I have been training an inspector so I have another inspectors help for half a day. I do all types of inspections.
no........I was in another area when this happened.Yankee said:So when you said "What do I do when another inspector approved this at the foundation inspection?" are you referring to your trainee?
I disagree but then, none of that should be a problem for you in the future, so a lengthy reply isn't necessary.Yankee said:I guess my point is, there are inspectors like yourself who know a lot about what they are inspecting, and there are other inspectors that are still learning. No one comes into the job knowing what they know after being around 10 or 15 years or more. Your photos are very educational, but not if it is intimidating to those that really need the lessons the most. Not too many people who don't know what they are looking at are going to want to post a question, so full explanations are helpful. Certainly knocking the other inspector isn't going to inspire others to ask questions. Just sayin'.
I believe you misunderstand my point. I was referring to the discussions you have said you want on this board about the pictures you post. They have the potential of being very educational. They have the potential of simply taking up a lot of space. In order to encourage participation and discussion from the (hundreds?) of lurkers on this site, many of whom are probably inspectors not nearly as accomplished as yourself, I was simply suggesting that you might want to think about your approach.Oh and, thanks for all the pictures.ICE said:I disagree but then, none of that should be a problem for you in the future, so a lengthy reply isn't necessary. A day later I have decided to answer the one point that matters.
I asked a question and nobody answered the question. So what do you do when you are faced with a mistake like this?
I have contractors tell me that there is nothing I can do because it was approved by another inspector. I have contractors whine "Am I going to get new corrections with every new inspector". I have contractors point to the approved plans that show the hole right where it is. I have contractors ask "Why didn't the last inspector say something"? I have contractors spitting mad at me because they made a mistake.
How do you answer those questions and what do you do? I've given you my answer. There is no engineer to consult.
You state that I am knocking the inspector by pointing it out. I reckon the inspector knocked himself. The mere fact that I acknowledged his mistake is taken, by you, as a slur. Well it happens....too often. Oh and as far as inspiring new inspectors to ask questions.... Most of what I have done here doesn't fall into the inspirational category. If anything, most of what I have done is the antithesis of inspiration. Who in his right mind would find inspiration from me. New inspectors should be kept away from me.
When faced with the situation of the OP, I write the correction and make sure that the previous inspector performs the next inspection. I don't say a word to him. He sees his mistake. He gets sh!t on by the contractor. It's called a learning experience.
I have never gone to a supervisor. Supervisors have come to me because a contractor has complained that I crossed out an inspector's approval or because I write corrections that other inspectors don't. Where I work, the emphasis is on keeping everybody happy and not code compliance. The usual outcome when a contractor complains is that the previous inspector handles the job from that point forward and everybody is back to happy land. As it stands now, too many inspectors are loathe to have me follow up on their inspections and if I went to the boss it would get worse. Besides that, it's not my style to rat them out. I just write the corrections that need to be written and let the chips fall where they may.Mac said:I'd bring the "other inspector" matter to your supervisor's attention. Let the higher ups do thier job which includes supervising other inspectors. Heck I bet nobody else here has ever missed anything on an inspection.
I know this is an old post but it is very refreshing to hear of a group that work together and keep the ego part of it at home, also that weekly meeting are given to work out the short falls. Where I work that use to be the case and the weekly meeting were usefull. New boss' new workers no meetings no one knows what is going on and the new guys are a bunch of cry babies that think everyone is picking on them. And as far as the boss' go now, you had not ever think about discussing a problem on a job where problems are or of you making a mistake unless you are the pet. Paper in the folder the department has gone from one of the best ISO rating to one of the worst in Ca. and these new boss' think you need one Engineer to plans check for every field Inspector is a cost savings factor because private engineers can not be trusted. I'll shut up now. :yawnmtlogcabin said:Maybe a smaller juridiction is easier. When one inspector missed something (or plans examiner) if it is minor it is discusssed at our weekly staff meetings. We are all big boys and we know we have different levels of knowledge and experience. If it is major we take the position in the field that we are questioning what we see and not sure but will check the code and get back with them. If the original inspector missed it then HE goes back and gets it corrected. Improves memory when you have to correct your own mistakes. We have pretty good group, egos are not a problem with the current staff they do not have a problem with being questioned about a decision or admmiting mistakes.