An average day

[mtlogcabin]

I am with Ice on most of what he said. We will advise contractors of potential hazards, take photos and make it part of the inspections record and let them know we have done this. While doing this we repeatedly tell them this is not a building code issue and we have no authority to make them do anything but if someone does get hurt we will be able to provide documentation to the injured party which will aid them in seeking damages in their lawsuit. Usually gets them to take care of the issue

 

[conarb]

What illegal authoritarian rule are you referring to? Is it conarb's misunderstanding of sewer pipe on private land being the responsibility of the building dept? Is it me calling CalOSHA? What exactly is it that has you convinced I'm a scofflaw in conflict with the constitution, a threat to democracy?

Tiger:

Wherein does the code allow you to make a contractor TV a sewer lateral?

 

[mtlogcabin]

UPC 103.5.8 Other Inspections

 

[SCBO1]

IPC 104.3 Inspections. Can request expert opinion as deemed necessary on unusual technical issues. Boring and pipe bursting would IMO be unusual due to no way of visual inspection unless a camera was used. Without a camera, fall to the sewer main can not be determined.

IRC 104.4 request for inspection reports

 

[ICE]

Tiger:

Wherein does the code allow you to make a contractor TV a sewer lateral?

It's not the lateral. It is the building sewer. We are supposed to be onsite for a camera run prior to doing the work to make sure that there is no major offset or sewer connections that will be eliminated. That camera run never happens. We then have the pipe filled and dump the water to see if it drains properly.

 

[tmurray]

If any individual notes that there are violations from the adopted safety regulations and does not attempt to have the deficiencies remedied, including contacting workplace health and safety officers, they can be held partially liable for any injuries here. We also have the right to refuse any work that is unsafe. ICE would be well within his rights here and actually performing his due diligence as an inspector in that regard.

I am in the same boat as I also inspect the building connection to the municipal sewer. The vast majority of connections have the full length of the connection open for inspection. Those that do not require a video inspection, provided by the owner. Again, would be just doing his job here.

Everyone seems to have gotten very excited for what looks to me like someone just doing their job.

 

[conarb]

It's not the lateral. It is the building sewer. We are supposed to be onsite for a camera run prior to doing the work to make sure that there is no major offset or sewer connections that will be eliminated. That never happens. We then have the pipe filled and dump the water to see if it drains properly.

Okay, tell me the difference, we normally have sewers in the streets, these systems are privately installed but inspected by the sanitary districts (and I believe take title to them). Then when we build a building we install a sewer lateral from 3' outside the building connecting to the sanitary district's sewer in the street. The pumbing/building inpsector inspects the building system to 3' outside the building, the sanitary district comes out and TVs the lateral, the average contractor doesn't own TV equipment, and I don't believe you can make them buy/or rent it. I believe your jurisdiction ends 3' outside the structure.

 

[steveray]

The sewer authority does not own the laterals here......Nor water...

 

[SCBO1]

conarb, If the jurisdictions authority ends 3-ft from the building wheres the utility easement start? Does CA allow the utility to work on private property outside of a UE?

Here I inspect from the building to the sanitary stub or main connection.

 

[conarb]

conarb, If the jurisdictions authority ends 3-ft from the building wheres the utility easement start? Does CA allow the utility to work on private property outside of a UE?

Here I inspect from the building to the sanitary stub or main connection.

It's apparent that different areas have differeing policies. We do not put sewer laterals in utility easements, utility easements are for the use of the sanitary districts if they choose/need to run their mains across private property (typically down side yards to reach streets/property below). The lateral is owned by the property it is installed within, the sanitary district has to inspect the connection between the lateral and their main so they run their TV down the lateral when there. Frankly I've never looked into the legalities of this, sanitary districts just do what they do and they are all different to some extent, we just accept what they do and go with the flow (pun intended). Why would a building inspector want to go beyond the scope of the structure?

About 1980 I built a home on top of a hill with no sewer, I could run the lateral down the hill behind the house to a road below, the problem was there was a creek by the road and the sewer was only 5' deep in the road, I proposed to the sanitary district that I bridge the creek with steel to hit the sewer, they decided they didn't want that and would prefer that I install a sewer pump on the side of the creek and pump the effluent up to the road. The building department got involved in none of this, sewer, pump, pump enclosure, electrical, all installed to sanitary district specifications and inspected by them. When they issued the sanitary district permit there were pages of specifications stamped by their engineers. I had another case in 1976 where I had no sewer, I wanted to install a septic tank but the sanitary district refused, I finally installed a pump house outside the main house and pumped the effluent about a 1,000 feet uphill to their sewer, all permited and inspected by the sanitary district. I doubt Tiger has all those specifications to give me to do that compliant with sanitary district regulations.

We've had many discussions over the years as to where your authority ends, walks, patios, etc., same with sewer laterals.

 

[my250r11]

Everyone seems to have gotten very excited for what looks to me like someone just doing their job.

I agree. Here state law allows us to abate unsafe or life threatening situations either with corrections, red tag, or pull a utility weather it is code or OSHA has no difference, unsafe is unsafe to me or to pubic.

As for sewer lines on private property to the property line we inspect. Outside a licensed contractor has to make taps and repairs and that is inspected buy us as well, for residential and most commercial taps. The City is the water and sewer utility. New line in subdivision are inspected by the appropriate dept.

 

[ICE]

conarb,

Not only do we have different policies, we have different terminology.

The lowest waste pipe within the building is labeled building drain. That extends to 2' beyond the wall of the building. From that point to the property line the waste pipe is labeled building sewer. Beyond the property line it is called a sewer lateral. I inspect building drains and building sewers. A different dept. inspects laterals along with the tap & saddle.

 

[conarb]

conarb,

Not only do we have different policies, we have different terminology.

The lowest waste pipe within the building is labeled building drain. That extends to 2' beyond the wall of the building. From that point to the property line the waste pipe is labeled building sewer. Beyond the property line it is called a sewer lateral. I inspect building drains and building sewers. A different dept. inspects laterals along with the tap & saddle.

Tiger:

Makes it hard to discuss these things since we are talking in differing languages, another thing is that if we have a septic tank the whole system from the building stub through the tank itself is inspected by the County Environmental Health Department, even if the building is located within a city.

 

[steveray]

The terminology in the IPC is as Tiger describes...I am struggling with this currently and trying to have the designers show the point of utility connection on the site plans so that I know where my authority/ responsibility ends...

 

[SCBO1]

Sing it with me.....

The DWV is connected to the - building drain
The building drain is connected to the - building sewer
The building sewer is connected to the the city sewer main.

Now when you try to save water by passing and enforcing new legislation,

The property owner will need a contractor -
The contractor will need a permit -
The back-hoe operator will dig up the sewer
cuz there's not enough water in the line!

I bet San Fran dumps storm in that sewer line.

Thanks for singing!

 

[ICE]

It is Tuesday and there is shoring.



The pipe was plugged off and filled with water. The plumber dumped the water and stuck in the camera. The water kept coming. The plumber speculated that the occupant was taking a shower. He knocked on the door but got no answer. I went to my next inspection and returned in about twenty minutes. Now the owner was out front with the plumber. The owner stated that he has not used any water and was not in the shower. The water was still running through the building sewer. I went inside and verified that no water is being released into a drain. I checked the water meter and there is no movement. The building is a slab on grade. The water was running when I left and had not slowed.

There are no other buildings on the property. The building is a slab on grade. When the plumber blocked the sewer so that he could fill the pipe, it sat filled up to a cleanout in the front yard. So why did it not overflow from the water we see running out now? The water is not under pressure at it's source. Where could the water come from without enough pressure to climb out of a cleanout?

 

[conarb]

I see this as a sanitary district problem, if the water isn't coming from the building it could be an underground spring or a high water table at some point, this means the sanitary district is taking on and treating all kinds of effluent that it isn't getting paid for. You not only don't have cameras, you don't have any kind of leak detection equipment, you are in over your head.

 

[cda]

I see this as a sanitary district problem, if the water isn't coming from the building it could be an underground spring or a high water table at some point, this means the sanitary district is taking on and treating all kinds of effluent that it isn't getting paid for. You not only don't have cameras, you don't have any kind of leak detection equipment, you are in over your head.

Conarb

Did you vote for the "top two" candidate law in calif??

Seems like that could get a little slanted, in some races???

 

[conarb]

t

Conarb

Did you vote for the "top two" candidate law in calif??

Seems like that could get a little slanted, in some races???

CDA:

We already have it, the top two candidates from today's election will that appear on the November election ballot. You're right, it is a disaster, a few of the candidates propose getting rid of it if they are elected. The big proposition here was a proposal to require a vote to premit virtually any new building, the city is on the right side here and put a competing measure on the ballot so votes on permits would only occur if someone proposed permiting a building on designated open space or parks. Lots of the measures are as confusing as building codes, yes becomes no. For instance, the state is raking in a fortune in these carbon credits, a proposition portends to limit that money to transportation, in reality it sends it to bicycle trails, the governor's stupid train to nowhere, and more new BART cars, the reality is that they have removed most seating from the new cars to make room for more bicycles and wheelchairs with only a couple of seats in each car.

 

[cda]

t

CDA:

We already have it, the top two candidates from today's election will that appear on the November election ballot. You're right, it is a disaster, a few of the candidates propose getting rid of it if they are elected. The big proposition here was a proposal to require a vote to premit virtually any new building, the city is on the right side here and put a competing measure on the ballot so votes on permits would only occur if someone proposed permiting a building on designated open space or parks. Lots of the measures are as confusing as building codes, yes becomes no. For instance, the state is raking in a fortune in these carbon credits, a proposition portends to limit that money to transportation, in reality it sends it to bicycle trails, the governor's stupid train to nowhere, and more new BART cars, the reality is that they have removed most seating from the new cars to make room for more bicycles and wheelchairs with only a couple of seats in each car.

WHAT ,,,no more Moon Beam??

Did the illegal space aliens call thier leader home???

 

[classicT]

conarb,

Not only do we have different policies, we have different terminology.

The lowest waste pipe within the building is labeled building drain. That extends to 2' beyond the wall of the building. From that point to the property line the waste pipe is labeled building sewer. Beyond the property line it is called a sewer lateral. I inspect building drains and building sewers. A different dept. inspects laterals along with the tap & saddle.

This is how it is properly defined in the IRC, IPC, and UPC.

 

[conarb]

WHAT ,,,no more Moon Beam??

Did the illegal space aliens call thier leader home???

He's termed out again, in the 70s he did a lot of damage in his two terms, he came back and is ending his second two term stint. I read this morning that Cox the Republican that Trump endorsed did make it to the final two in November.

There was an op/ed article Monday in the wall Street Journal that addressed the fact that global warming was nothing but the social justice agenda mentioning that both Moombeam and Al Gore were Divinity School dropouts.

Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Its descent into social-justice identity politics is the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality.
By
Steven F. Hayward
June 4, 2018 6:54 p.m. ET

Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest,,,,

A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.

The descent of climate change into the abyss of social-justice identity politics represents the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality. Climate alarm is like a car alarm – a blaring noise people are tuning out.

The second stage typically includes a large amount of euphoric enthusiasm – you might call it the “dopamine” stage—as activists conceive the issue in terms of global peril and salvation. This tendency explains the fanaticism with which divinity-school dropouts Al Gore and Jerry Brown have warned of climate change.¹

Now can we get social justice out of our codes? That includes energy, green, and ADA, in the end it's all religion propogated by religious nuts like Brown and Gore, they can't call it religion since we have fredom from religion so thye call it something else.


¹ https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-has-run-its-course-1528152876

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Steven F. Hayward is not a scientist he is just an American author, political commentator, and policy scholar, who argues for libertarian and conservative view points in his writings.

 

[conarb]

Steven F. Hayward is not a scientist he is just an American author, political commentator, and policy scholar, who argues for libertarian and conservative view points in his writings.

That's true, I checked him out before I posted, but notice I said it had made it to the op/ed page in The Wall Street Journal. He brings up the point that the American Geophysical Union (which are scientists) said: "Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades." What does misogny and social injustice have to do with science?

If you want science, go to the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology:

Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records
Feb 5, 2017
Press Release
WASHINGTON – U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology members today responded to reports about the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) 2015 climate change study (“the Karl study”). According to Dr. John Bates, the recently retired principal scientist at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center, the Karl study was used “to discredit the notion of a global warming hiatus and rush to time the publication of the paper to influence national and international deliberations on climate policy.”

Background

In the summer of 2015, NOAA scientists published the Karl study, which retroactively altered historical climate change data and resulted in the elimination of a well-known climate phenomenon known as the “climate change hiatus.” The hiatus was a period between 1998 and 2013 during which the rate of global temperature growth slowed. This fact has always been a thorn in the side of climate change alarmists, as it became difficult to disprove the slowdown in warming.

The Karl study refuted the hiatus and rewrote climate change history to claim that warming had in fact been occurring. The committee heard from scientists who raised concerns about the study’s methodologies, readiness, and politicization. In response, the committee conducted oversight and sent NOAA inquiries to investigate the circumstances surrounding the Karl study.

Over the course of the committee’s oversight, NOAA refused to comply with the inquiries, baselessly arguing that Congress is not authorized to request communications from federal scientists. This culminated in the issuance of a congressional subpoena, with which NOAA also failed to comply. During the course of the investigation, the committee heard from whistleblowers who confirmed that, among other flaws in the study, it was rushed for publication to support President Obama’s climate change agenda.

For a complete timeline of the Science Committee’s oversight of NOAA’s 2015 climate change study, click here.

115th Congress ¹

Just for the record, no Chinese or Russian scientists believe in global warming, they believe we are going into a global cooling period called a Maunder Minimum.



¹ https://science.house.gov/news/pres...nfirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records