sorry, my badYou said exit, not EERO
sorry, my badYou said exit, not EERO
Yes, I know, it is the exception. I understand the dilemma posed by the original post and thread and I see points from both sides. First, I understand the real question was not one of an EERO opening to the garage, rather from the garage to the outside, I can also see the intent may not be in line with the exact language of the code. My condition is a little different but related and I figured if I looked that something like this had probably already been brought up on the forum...and I was right.
The condition I have is not whether the mechanical room needs an EERO, it doesn't. My question is that I don't think the basement level does since it is intended by the current design as a garage. It is clear garages don't require EERO's, but basements do. So the question as to whether this is a garage, or basement, or a garage in a basement?
Yes, it is a townhouse building on a slope.Not into grade plane, but how is the garage not ::: RB] BASEMENT. A story that is not a story above grade plane. (see "Story above grade plane").
Is the building sunk into a hill and most of the garage is surrounded by dirt?
The better question is where in the code does it say that you can.Where in the code does it state emergency escape cannot be provided in a garage?
just wondering where the IRC says that a garage in a house is an accessory use?The garage is accessory use to the dwelling unit. The garage can also be part of the basement. However, there is a required fire separation from the garage to the dwelling unit. This separation is to protect the occupants of the dwelling unit from the hazards associated with garages. The garage has an inherent risk factor due to the occupancy classification. To allow egress access through the garage would increase the risk factors for the residence of the dwelling unit trying to exit. The intent of the code is not to increase risk factors but to reduce risk factors for occupants of the dwelling unit
or a window can work for eeroIt has been previously noted that the garage door is not a swinging door or a sliding door, you need one .
It is an implied definition in how it functions which is to open into an open yard or public way. Your design does not do that your EERO opens into the garage therefore it does not meet the intent of the code which is for an EERO to open into a yard or public way. Going through the garage or any other room is an exit path to reach an exit not an EERO openingI don't see any definition here. Where is it?
The IRC does not imply that at all, that's just you. The IRC says every basement shall have one eero unless you have bedrooms which require individual eero's. You see, one eero is required. No mention of passing through other rooms or spaces, no mention of garage. You are trying to apply exiting requirements of the IBC that don't exist in the IRC.It is an implied definition in how it functions which is to open into an open yard or public way. Your design does not do that your EERO opens into the garage therefore it does not meet the intent of the code which is for an EERO to open into a yard or public way. Going through the garage or any other room is an exit path to reach an exit not an EERO opening
...or you can provide an eero windowR310.3 Emergency escape and rescue doors.
Where a door is provided as the required emergency escape and rescue opening, it shall be a side-hinged door or a slider. Where the opening is below the adjacent grade, it shall be provided with an area well.
Are your garage doors side hinged? Do they slide? Or does your garage also have a pedestrian door built in?
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Garage is a potentially hazordous area and may also be blocked by vehicles. Direct means without interruptions or obstacles to overcome.Egress and Escape from basement diagramed on the floor plans (uploaded)
The EERO is located at an exterior wall leading DIRECTLY outside to a yard that leads DIRECTLY to a ROW.
What does the term "directly" mean? Directly from where? The "Space"? Which Space, the basement?
The basement is not a space it is a level. The garage is at the basement.
I still do not see or understand where in this code it says an EERO cannot be in the garage.
Steveray has the only good argument stating fire separation is required between dwelling and garage per Section 302.6.
But my counter argument is that in Section 310 EERO is required for basements (a story), it does not say dwelling for which "garage" is not included in the definition. The intent is escape from the story. The garage is on that story.
Why is the garage a hazard to escape? What is the hazard? Why would the garage be blocked? Why would any other space in the basement not be blocked by interruptions or obsticles? My house to garage door is 32". I see nothing here to preclude using a garge as escape.Garage is a potentially hazordous area and may also be blocked by vehicles. Direct means without interruptions or obstacles to overcome.
Is the gARAGE INTERIOR RATED the same as the basement? Doors must be a minimum of 32", not 30
Tell that to the plan checker that's holding you up. Apparently hearing it from the people here has had no effect. Ask the plan checker to show you an actual code book......perhaps seeing it in a book might do it for you. You have a better chance of convincing the plan checker that it's not a basement than you do of allowing an EERO to dump into a garage.I see nothing here to preclude using a garage as escape.
Maybe you can show me the code section that prohibits an eero from the garage (not dumping into a garage.) Please, show me the code text.Tell that to the plan checker that's holding you up. Apparently hearing it from the people here has had no effect. Ask the plan checker to show you an actual code book......perhaps seeing it in a book might do it for you. You have a better chance of convincing the plan checker that it's not a basement than you do of allowing an EERO to dump into a garage.
Several people have done that already. Post #66 has me going along with "It's not a basement." That sir, is your only option.Maybe you can show me the code section that prohibits an eero from the garage (not dumping into a garage.) Please, show me the code text.
Then it should be easy. Show me, or reference, the code text. I'll wait.Several people have done that already.
so where is it? where does it say you cant escape through a garage? if the garage is in the basement, and if the garage opens to a public way or yard, and the opening meets the requirements of the section you have just escaped. nothing there prohibits using a garage, nothing.R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.
Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.