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ICE
MODERATOR
The second to the last step is installing the hinges. I wonder what the HO thought about this.
It is the next day. The dead front is off and the hinges have been removed. When you release the latch at the bottom is when you find out that the hinges have been removed. The owner came out and I asked him if the contractor left this open. He said that he did it because the contractor called to tell him that he would not be able to show up today and the contractor asked the owner to take it apart.
There's 25 current carrying conductors in the conduit.
It is the next day. The dead front is off and the hinges have been removed. When you release the latch at the bottom is when you find out that the hinges have been removed. The owner came out and I asked him if the contractor left this open. He said that he did it because the contractor called to tell him that he would not be able to show up today and the contractor asked the owner to take it apart.
There's 25 current carrying conductors in the conduit.
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ICE
MODERATOR
I shouldn't have to tell a contractor that this will not be okay.
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ICE
MODERATOR
The seismic strap company could save a buck or two. If the straps are long enough to do this, material is being wasted.
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ICE
MODERATOR
I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.
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ICE
MODERATOR
The contractor didn't think that I would crawl around under the house....and he was right about that.
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conarb
SILVER MEMBER
I wish I could get an electrician to label his panels like that, the heck with the spelling, it's better labeling that I've ever got.I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.
Msradell
SAWHORSE
Where is the 2nd kitchen outlet circuit??I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.
TheCommish
SAWHORSE
ICE, how is this job?
TheCommish
SAWHORSE
ICE now this screen shot
Builder Bob
SAWHORSE
I am more worried about having GLUGS installed....... is this the sound of beverages they were drinking while making the labels>
ICE
MODERATOR
Besides the obvious corrections, and there's plenty of them, what say you about dumping the secondary condensate drain into the emergency drain pan?
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Msradell
SAWHORSE
Well, I've certainly seem worse things done with the secondary condensate drain. It's also certainly a minor issue compared to some of the others that are visible. If everything else was corrected satisfactorily I'd probably let it go.
steveray
SAWHORSE
Everything talks about supplemental or auxiliary so I would say: Nay Nay....
M1411.3 Condensate disposal. Condensate from all cooling coils or evaporators shall be conveyed from the drain pan outlet to an approved place of disposal. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Condensate shall not discharge into a street, alley or other areas where it would cause a nuisance.
M1411.3.1 Auxiliary and secondary drain systems. In addition to the requirements of Section M1411.3, a secondary drain or auxiliary drain pan shall be required for each cooling or evaporator coil where damage to any building components will occur as a result of overflow from the equipment drain pan or stoppage in the condensate drain piping. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Drain piping shall be a minimum of 3/4-inch (19 mm) nominal pipe size.
One of the following methods shall be used:
1. An auxiliary drain pan with a separate drain shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. The auxiliary pan drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The pan shall have a minimum depth of 1.5 inches (38 mm), shall not be less than 3 inches (76 mm) larger than the unit or the coil dimensions in width and length and shall be constructed of corrosion-resistant material. Galvanized sheet steel pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0236-inch (0.6010 mm) (No. 24 Gage). Nonmetallic pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0625 inch (1.6 mm).
2. A separate overflow drain line shall be connected to the drain pan installed with the equipment. This overflow drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The overflow drain line shall connect to the drain pan at a higher level than the primary drain connection.
3. An auxiliary drain pan without a separate drain line shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. This pan shall be equipped with a water level detection device conforming to UL 508 that will shut off the equipment served prior to overflow of the pan. The pan shall be equipped with a fitting to allow for drainage. The auxiliary drain pan shall be constructed in accordance with Item 1 of this section.
4. A water level detection device conforming to UL 508 shall be installed that will shut off the equipment served in the event that the primary drain is blocked. The device shall be installed in the primary drain line, the overflow drain line or the equipment-supplied drain pan, located at a point higher than the primary drain line connection and below the overflow rim of such pan.
M1411.3 Condensate disposal. Condensate from all cooling coils or evaporators shall be conveyed from the drain pan outlet to an approved place of disposal. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Condensate shall not discharge into a street, alley or other areas where it would cause a nuisance.
M1411.3.1 Auxiliary and secondary drain systems. In addition to the requirements of Section M1411.3, a secondary drain or auxiliary drain pan shall be required for each cooling or evaporator coil where damage to any building components will occur as a result of overflow from the equipment drain pan or stoppage in the condensate drain piping. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Drain piping shall be a minimum of 3/4-inch (19 mm) nominal pipe size.
One of the following methods shall be used:
1. An auxiliary drain pan with a separate drain shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. The auxiliary pan drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The pan shall have a minimum depth of 1.5 inches (38 mm), shall not be less than 3 inches (76 mm) larger than the unit or the coil dimensions in width and length and shall be constructed of corrosion-resistant material. Galvanized sheet steel pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0236-inch (0.6010 mm) (No. 24 Gage). Nonmetallic pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0625 inch (1.6 mm).
2. A separate overflow drain line shall be connected to the drain pan installed with the equipment. This overflow drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The overflow drain line shall connect to the drain pan at a higher level than the primary drain connection.
3. An auxiliary drain pan without a separate drain line shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. This pan shall be equipped with a water level detection device conforming to UL 508 that will shut off the equipment served prior to overflow of the pan. The pan shall be equipped with a fitting to allow for drainage. The auxiliary drain pan shall be constructed in accordance with Item 1 of this section.
4. A water level detection device conforming to UL 508 shall be installed that will shut off the equipment served in the event that the primary drain is blocked. The device shall be installed in the primary drain line, the overflow drain line or the equipment-supplied drain pan, located at a point higher than the primary drain line connection and below the overflow rim of such pan.
ICE
MODERATOR
I have allowed it many times. I ask the question because of the potential for crap to build up in the pan and if the secondary opens the crap will clog the drain hole. Recently I encountered a pan that was filled with blown-in insulation.
Paul Sweet
SAWHORSE
M1411.3.1 requires a secondary drain OR auxiliary drain pan. An auxiliary drain pan wouldn't be required if the secondary drain went directly outside.
mtlogcabin
SILVER MEMBER
Would you purchase this house?
my250r11
SILVER MEMBER
Some peoples children, lol:indecisiveness:
jdfruit
BRONZE MEMBER
post #1985: give me a big enough price reduction and I might be interested.
Msradell
SAWHORSE
Somebody didn't quite read the plans right!Would you purchase this house?
jdfruit
BRONZE MEMBER
Post #1989: brings back memories when I would tell the offending homeowner to pull it out, start over, don't glue it just dry fit, will look again before allowed to glue up & test. If you don't get it right in 3 more tries, then hire a licensed plumber. Gunshot wouldn't beat the phone call back to the office. Glad I'm retired now, but have one more client to get finished and doing the "dry fit" routine with the owner/builder right now.
conarb
SILVER MEMBER
JD:
How's the hot rod shop going? You have land up north to do it, where? Are you really going to build hot rods like we did in the 40s? Are there customers willing and able? I notice that some are being sold in classic car showrooms for pretty good money.
How's the hot rod shop going? You have land up north to do it, where? Are you really going to build hot rods like we did in the 40s? Are there customers willing and able? I notice that some are being sold in classic car showrooms for pretty good money.
jdfruit
BRONZE MEMBER
Conarb - still fixing up house to sell so no mortgage payment when I relocate. My wife of 44+ years retires this June. I like the 40's 50's & 60's style hot rods. Not worried about customers, will build what I like.