An average day

[ICE]

I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.

 

[ICE]

The contractor didn't think that I would crawl around under the house....and he was right about that.

 

[conarb]

I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.

I wish I could get an electrician to label his panels like that, the heck with the spelling, it's better labeling that I've ever got.

 

[Msradell]

I expect them to ARC fault the glugs but they went overboard with the kitchen/bath and laundry lights.

Where is the 2nd kitchen outlet circuit??

 

[TheCommish]

ICE, how is this job?

 

[TheCommish]

ICE now this screen shot

 

[SCBO1]

At first glance I thought "Down goes Frazier!" Down goes Fraizer!" Then I thought, I wish I could afford a new pair of boots!:confusion:

 

[Builder Bob]

Where is the 2nd kitchen outlet circuit??

I am more worried about having GLUGS installed....... is this the sound of beverages they were drinking while making the labels>

 

[ICE]

Besides the obvious corrections, and there's plenty of them, what say you about dumping the secondary condensate drain into the emergency drain pan?

 

[Msradell]

Well, I've certainly seem worse things done with the secondary condensate drain. It's also certainly a minor issue compared to some of the others that are visible. If everything else was corrected satisfactorily I'd probably let it go.

 

[steveray]

Everything talks about supplemental or auxiliary so I would say: Nay Nay....

M1411.3 Condensate disposal. Condensate from all cooling coils or evaporators shall be conveyed from the drain pan outlet to an approved place of disposal. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Condensate shall not discharge into a street, alley or other areas where it would cause a nuisance.

M1411.3.1 Auxiliary and secondary drain systems. In addition to the requirements of Section M1411.3, a secondary drain or auxiliary drain pan shall be required for each cooling or evaporator coil where damage to any building components will occur as a result of overflow from the equipment drain pan or stoppage in the condensate drain piping. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal slope in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent slope). Drain piping shall be a minimum of 3/4-inch (19 mm) nominal pipe size.

One of the following methods shall be used:

1. An auxiliary drain pan with a separate drain shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. The auxiliary pan drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The pan shall have a minimum depth of 1.5 inches (38 mm), shall not be less than 3 inches (76 mm) larger than the unit or the coil dimensions in width and length and shall be constructed of corrosion-resistant material. Galvanized sheet steel pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0236-inch (0.6010 mm) (No. 24 Gage). Nonmetallic pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0625 inch (1.6 mm).

2. A separate overflow drain line shall be connected to the drain pan installed with the equipment. This overflow drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The overflow drain line shall connect to the drain pan at a higher level than the primary drain connection.

3. An auxiliary drain pan without a separate drain line shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. This pan shall be equipped with a water level detection device conforming to UL 508 that will shut off the equipment served prior to overflow of the pan. The pan shall be equipped with a fitting to allow for drainage. The auxiliary drain pan shall be constructed in accordance with Item 1 of this section.

4. A water level detection device conforming to UL 508 shall be installed that will shut off the equipment served in the event that the primary drain is blocked. The device shall be installed in the primary drain line, the overflow drain line or the equipment-supplied drain pan, located at a point higher than the primary drain line connection and below the overflow rim of such pan.

 

[ICE]

I have allowed it many times. I ask the question because of the potential for crap to build up in the pan and if the secondary opens the crap will clog the drain hole. Recently I encountered a pan that was filled with blown-in insulation.

 

[Paul Sweet]

M1411.3.1 requires a secondary drain OR auxiliary drain pan. An auxiliary drain pan wouldn't be required if the secondary drain went directly outside.

 

[mtlogcabin]

Would you purchase this house?

 

[my250r11]

Some peoples children, lol:indecisiveness:

 

[jdfruit]

post #1985: give me a big enough price reduction and I might be interested.

 

[Msradell]

Would you purchase this house?

Somebody didn't quite read the plans right!

 

[jdfruit]

Post #1989: brings back memories when I would tell the offending homeowner to pull it out, start over, don't glue it just dry fit, will look again before allowed to glue up & test. If you don't get it right in 3 more tries, then hire a licensed plumber. Gunshot wouldn't beat the phone call back to the office. Glad I'm retired now, but have one more client to get finished and doing the "dry fit" routine with the owner/builder right now.

 

[conarb]

JD:

How's the hot rod shop going? You have land up north to do it, where? Are you really going to build hot rods like we did in the 40s? Are there customers willing and able? I notice that some are being sold in classic car showrooms for pretty good money.

 

[jdfruit]

Conarb - still fixing up house to sell so no mortgage payment when I relocate. My wife of 44+ years retires this June. I like the 40's 50's & 60's style hot rods. Not worried about customers, will build what I like.

 

[conarb]

Conarb - still fixing up house to sell so no mortgage payment when I relocate. My wife of 44+ years retires this June. I like the 40's 50's & 60's style hot rods. Not worried about customers' date=' will build what I like. [/quote']You're a newly wed by my standards, today is my wife's 82nd birthday so I took her and the kid to the new Diller Scofidio + Renfro Berkeley Art Museum, I don't like it nearly as much as the older Mario Ciampi Brutalist museum, even though they have reinforced the Ciampi museum with lots of ugly steel they still have abandoned it because of seismic concerns. We are so concerned about safety today that we are destroying beautiful architecture and cars, after 2017 FCA is discontinuing the Viper even though the new ACR has broken the record on every track it has run on, but because of a government mandate for side airbags that they say they can't meet they are discontinuing the car, they could continue it with a roadster/targa exception but the guys who race want a coupe. Whether it's buildings, cars, airplanes, or anything else too much safety destroys the quality of life.

 

[jdfruit]

It's a matter of acceptable risk and a majority of people today don't want to risk something they don't understand; like cars. I have talked to and seen people with the most unrealistic expectations for cars, houses, appliances, and other every day items. A lot of them will be good candidates for fully automatic self driving cars, and thankfully they will not be in control on the roadway. We have lost what used to be known as common sense and respect for the physics involved with our every day things. I think the culprit is changing society, parents don't usually have enough time to teach the kids about things like cars, they send them to a driving school, then wonder why the kid has to call three A because the dash panel is telling them a tire is low.

 

[ICE]

No permit of any sort.





I don't have permission to be here....so if anybody asks, I'm not there but this is where the dirt pile is going.





The soil does not look like any soil in this area. It looks like sand with a fair amount if silt and clay. It should compact really well. They are half way to leveling out the back yard....all they need now is a retaining wall to hold it in.

A few days later:

 

[ICE]

The neighbor has a discharge problem.



By the looks of the splatter pattern, it comes out with some force.



I can't tell what it is but it's green and that's a good sign...right?