Convince me otherwise, provide the code section that tells me I'm wrong.
I'd love to know why.
We amend the heck out of that section and actually don't require it in an unfinished basement...Or when you finish it w/o bedrooms for that matter...
Less than the minimum, hummmmm
Sometimes ICC is unreasonable and over the top.Less than the minimum, hummmmm
Sometimes ICC is unreasonable and over the top.
Maybe some of the problem is the floor plan we are looking at
Can you post one of the basement
one of the ground floor
Egress and Escape from basement diagramed on the floor plans (uploaded)
The EERO is located at an exterior wall leading DIRECTLY outside to a yard that leads DIRECTLY to a ROW.
What does the term "directly" mean? Directly from where? The "Space"? Which Space, the basement?
The basement is not a space it is a level. The garage is at the basement.
I still do not see or understand where in this code it says an EERO cannot be in the garage.
Steveray has the only good argument stating fire separation is required between dwelling and garage per Section 302.6.
But my counter argument is that in Section 310 EERO is required for basements (a story), it does not say dwelling for which "garage" is not included in the definition. The intent is escape from the story. The garage is on that story.
Egress and Escape from basement diagramed on the floor plans (uploaded)
The EERO is located at an exterior wall leading DIRECTLY outside to a yard that leads DIRECTLY to a ROW.
What does the term "directly" mean? Directly from where? The "Space"? Which Space, the basement?
The basement is not a space it is a level. The garage is at the basement.
I still do not see or understand where in this code it says an EERO cannot be in the garage.
Steveray has the only good argument stating fire separation is required between dwelling and garage per Section 302.6.
But my counter argument is that in Section 310 EERO is required for basements (a story), it does not say dwelling for which "garage" is not included in the definition. The intent is escape from the story. The garage is on that story.
Egress and Escape from basement diagramed on the floor plans (uploaded)
The EERO is located at an exterior wall leading DIRECTLY outside to a yard that leads DIRECTLY to a ROW.
What does the term "directly" mean? Directly from where? The "Space"? Which Space, the basement?
The basement is not a space it is a level. The garage is at the basement.
I still do not see or understand where in this code it says an EERO cannot be in the garage.
Steveray has the only good argument stating fire separation is required between dwelling and garage per Section 302.6.
But my counter argument is that in Section 310 EERO is required for basements (a story), it does not say dwelling for which "garage" is not included in the definition. The intent is escape from the story. The garage is on that story.
I am totally with T-bird here.
The Requirement for EERO in a basement without any sleeping rooms is that there is one EERO opening directly to a yard or public way. There are no requirements saying you can't walk through other spaces to get to the EERO. You could pass through furnace rooms, toilet rooms, fireworks assembly rooms, garages, any or multiple of them. Note that if there is a sleeping room then that exact sleeping room would need an EERO and you could NOT pass through any other space to get to the EERO.
As long as the basement itself has one EERO I think it is compliant. T-bird's plan is not that the EERO opens into the garage, it is that a person passes through the garage to get to the EERO, I don't see anything in Section 310 that prohibits that.
I am totally with T-bird here.
The Requirement for EERO in a basement without any sleeping rooms is that there is one EERO opening directly to a yard or public way. There are no requirements saying you can't walk through other spaces to get to the EERO. You could pass through furnace rooms, toilet rooms, fireworks assembly rooms, garages, any or multiple of them. Note that if there is a sleeping room then that exact sleeping room would need an EERO and you could NOT pass through any other space to get to the EERO.
As long as the basement itself has one EERO I think it is compliant. T-bird's plan is not that the EERO opens into the garage, it is that a person passes through the garage to get to the EERO, I don't see anything in Section 310 that prohibits that.
cda, we're obviously talking past each other a bit, I'm guessing if beer were involved we would ultimately agree.
It seems clear that there has to be both a fully compliant means of egress from the basement and also an EERO. Both IRC sections 310 and 311 must be met. I suspect the crux of the problem is that we are used to applying the EERO requirement to sleeping rooms, which clearly require an opening directly from the room to the exterior. The non-sleeping-room-basement requirement is that there is an EERO somewhere in the basement, there is no stipulation as to how far it is away, or how may interior doors you have to go through to get to it, only that it is on the basement level and it opens directly to a yard or public way.
Section 310.1 Emergency escape and rescue openings required.
Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.
Exception: Storm shelters and basements used only to house mechanical equipment not exceeding a total floor area of 200 square feet.
Francis has this right. The code section you're apparently not reading has been posted numerous times - you've even posted it yourself:
A garage, which is what you have labeled on your plan, has to be separated from the dwelling area and a bedroom cannot directly access it. Those code sections have been posted too. The purpose for those requirements are so that when a fire starts in the garage (which is where a fair number of fires start), you don't have to go through the fire to get out side.
You're going to be putting in an egress window. There's no way within the code to get out of it.