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I would agree with Jim's analysis.....
INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE® COMMENTARYhlfireinspector said:I am going to throw a curve in this one. Popular drive up fast food joint (starts with SO_ _ C) now has outside seating for eating not in your vechile. How can they not provide public restrooms?
My memory, of thier prototype from 4 years ago is they do.hlfireinspector said:I am going to throw a curvin this one. Popular drive up fast food joint (starts with SO_ _ C) now has outside seating for eating not in your vechile. How can they not provide public restrooms?
Once the business provides a place to eat, a parking space and a server to bring the food to your car or outdoor seating then in my opinion there is no way around the IBC requirement to provide restrooms for the use of the businesses customers.How would I exempt it?
Welcome RonRonU said:California has a Uniform Retail Food Facilities Law. A similar law may apply to this case. Be sure to check for that.
Thanks Mark....I've enjoyed learning from you.mark handler said:Welcome RonThe CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODE, does not require restrooms, when provided it does have "some" requirements
You are using an out of date CALIFORNIA RETAIL FOOD CODERonU said:Thanks Mark....I've enjoyed learning from you.Regarding the CRFC ....restaurants >20k sq.ft. & constructed between July 1, 84 & Jan 1, 04 - required to have 1 min. restroom; any new bldg constr. after Jan 1, 04 that has a restaurant with on-site food consumption or is >20k sq.ft. is reqd. to have restrooms for customers. Whether or not, if restrooms are provided for the public, they should met accessibility standards....a point that has pretty clearly been made.
Thanks again
Pennsylvania Food Code§ 46.823. Numbers and capacities of plumbing facilities. (a) Handwashing facilities for employees and consumers.
(1) Except as specified in paragraphs (2) and (3), at least one handwashing sink—and a number of handwashing sinks necessary for their convenient use by employees in areas specified in § 46.824(a) (relating to location and placement of plumbing facilities)—shall be provided.
(2) If approved by the Department and capable of removing the types of soils encountered in the food operations involved, automatic handwashing facilities may be substituted for handwashing sinks in a food facility that has at least one handwashing sink.
(3) If approved by the Department, when food exposure is limited to prepackaged foods and handwashing sinks are not conveniently available, such as in some temporary food facilities or at some vending machine locations, employees may use chemically treated towelettes for handwashing.
(4) At least one handwashing sink and a number of handwashing sinks necessary for the convenient use by consumers shall be provided in food facilities which allow consumption of food on the food facility premises. Handwash sinks for consumers shall be located in easily accessible areas and as required in § 46.824(a)(2), but may not require access through food preparation, food dispensing, food, equipment and utensil storage areas, or warewashing areas.
(b) Toilets and urinals. At least one toilet and not fewer than the toilets (and urinals, if used) required by the Department of Labor and Industry shall be provided.
© Utility sink. At least one utility sink or one curbed cleaning facility equipped with a floor drain shall be provided and conveniently located for the cleaning of mops or similar wet floor cleaning tools and for the disposal of mop water and similar liquid waste.
(d) Backflow prevention device: when required. A plumbing system shall be installed to preclude backflow of a solid, liquid or gas contaminant into the water supply system at each point of use at the food facility, including on a hose bib if a hose is attached, or on a hose bib if a hose is not attached but can be attached, by an approved backflow prevention device as specified in § 46.822(d) (relating to design, construction and installation of plumbing systems).
(e) Backflow prevention device on carbonators. If not provided with an air gap as specified in § 46.822©, a double check valve with an intermediate vent preceded by a screen of not less than 100 mesh to 25.4mm (100 mesh to 1 inch) shall be installed upstream from a carbonating device and downstream from any copper in the water supply line. A single or double check valve attached to the carbonator need not be of the vented type if an air gap or vented backflow prevention device has been otherwise provided.
Cross References
This section cited in 7 Pa. Code § 46.941 (relating to handwashing facilities: numbers and capacities); 7 Pa. Code § 46.942 (relating to toilets and urinals: numbers and capacities); and 7 Pa. Code § 46.946 (relating to utility sinks).
If you read the posts you can see that code professionals do not "REASONABLY ASSUME" anything.MikeC said:but you can also reasonably assume
Just a note, some states do not adopt the chapter29 of the IBC and rely on the plumbing code. And some states do not adopt the IPC but instead use the UPC....Architect1281 said:If you say public toilets are not available yes they are required.. [P] 2902.3 Required public toilet facilities. Customers, patrons and visitors shall be provided with public toilet facilities in structures and tenant spaces intended for public utilization.......(exception covered mall at tenant space)
If you tell me NO we dont provide them .. I rerach for fly and ask " Got a Mop"?? Facilites Provided quickly...
And some reach for the phone. In most states once you open that fly, the people with the blue or/and white coats come for you.Architect1281 said:If you say public toilets are not available yes they are required.. [P] 2902.3 Required public toilet facilities. Customers, patrons and visitors shall be provided with public toilet facilities in structures and tenant spaces intended for public utilization.......(exception covered mall at tenant space)
If you tell me NO we dont provide them .. I rerach for fly and ask " Got a Mop"?? Facilites Provided quickly...