showers in Type B apartment units

[redeyedfly]

Yes, but then 1003.11.2.5.2 says that a single restroom must comply with 608. To me this is a general vs specific requirement. General--all restrooms shall have blocking... specific--at least one restroom must comply with 607/608 (1003.11.2 / 11.2.5.1&2)

This is absolutely incorrect. The specific is the grab bar reinforcing in Type A units. The general is chapter 6.

Think about this exception in 1003.11.1 for a minute

Where exactly would you install reinforcement per 1003.11.1?

Also, people renting apartments who are in wheelchairs or with other mobility impairments DO NOT WANT the grab bars installed. They much prefer to install them so they work well for their body size/shape and specific mobility impairment. The general grab bar locations are based on statistics to work for the most people in wheel chairs and that's good for public spaces but every human is unique and they want to tailor THEIR HOME to their unique needs. Go read the Fair Housing Act Design Manual. We actually install the reinforcement per the FHADM so that the grab bars can be installed in a range of locations to fit the tenant.

 

[jc_ks]

This is absolutely incorrect. The specific is the grab bar reinforcing in Type A units. The general is chapter 6.

Think about this exception in 1003.11.1 for a minute
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Where exactly would you install reinforcement per 1003.11.1?

You would install only reinforcement in any secondary restrooms that do not need to comply with all the maneuvering clearance (and bathing fixture) requirements of 1003.11.2.

Also, people renting apartments who are in wheelchairs or with other mobility impairments DO NOT WANT the grab bars installed. They much prefer to install them so they work well for their body size/shape and specific mobility impairment. The general grab bar locations are based on statistics to work for the most people in wheel chairs and that's good for public spaces but every human is unique and they want to tailor THEIR HOME to their unique needs. Go read the Fair Housing Act Design Manual. We actually install the reinforcement per the FHADM so that the grab bars can be installed in a range of locations to fit the tenant.

Maybe you do, but this designer is refusing to install even the proper blocking from 1003.11.1.

 

[redeyedfly]

You would install only reinforcement in any secondary restrooms that do not need to comply with all the maneuvering clearance (and bathing fixture) requirements of 1003.11.2.

Secondary restrooms follow 1004.11.1, that's what that exception I posted means. Only the 1003.11.2 bathroom is required to have the reinforcement per 1003.11.1.

You are absolutely and totally wrong on this.