Paper Towel Dispenser in WC Clear Space?

[HForester]

what about the can of deodorant spray, I suppose that can't be on the lid either...Nuts!

The controls on the can would have to comply with ADA controls requirements........HAH !

 

[ADAguy]

Not if you install a Toto, ever try one? "Whoopee"!

 

[Mr. Inspector]

If attached to the floor how far does it project out from the face of the wall? Appears to be an obstruction.

It doesn't matter how far from the wall. It looks to me that the items in section 604.3.2 could be anywhere in the required WC clearance.

 

[ADAguy]

If in the clear floor area, then how could it not be a barrier? Maybe if he posted a floor plan?

 

[Mr. Inspector]

What I am talking about is that there is a shelving unit that is 36" long against the wall and comes out 30" from the wall, is 6' high, 5 shelfs, lowest shelf is 3" from the floor. I am sure many of you have this type of shelf unit in your garages or basements. It is between the toilet and the sink. They are keeping supplies for the toilet room on it.

 

[ADAguy]

30"! it extends beyond the face of the lav? and obstructs access to the toilet lever.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Toilet has a automatic flusher. The problem is the code allows shelving in the water closet clear space but has no limit in how large or where it is. They could even put shelving between the toilet and wall. When I fail inspection I am required to state a code section and there is nothing I can use for this.

 

[my250r11]

Have to slouch to use it? Picture would be helpful. Even if automatic it still has the push button that needs to be accessible.

 

[mark handler]

Toilet has a automatic flusher. The problem is the code allows shelving in the water closet clear space but has no limit in how large or where it is. They could even put shelving between the toilet and wall. When I fail inspection I am required to state a code section and there is nothing I can use for this.

ICC A117.1
604.3.3 Clearance Overlap. The required clearance around the water closet shall be permitted to overlap the water closet, associated grab bars, paper dispensers, sanitary napkin receptacles, coat hooks, shelves, accessible routes, clear floor space at other fixtures and the turning space.
No other fixtures or obstructions shall be within the required water closet clearance

 

[Mr. Inspector]

ICC A117.1
604.3.3 Clearance Overlap. The required clearance around the water closet shall be permitted to overlap the water closet, associated grab bars, paper dispensers, sanitary napkin receptacles, coat hooks, shelves, accessible routes, clear floor space at other fixtures and the turning space.
No other fixtures or obstructions shall be within the required water closet clearance

That is what I am saying. There is no limit on how much the shelves take up of if they need to be mounted to the wall.

 

[mark handler]

That is what I am saying. There is no limit on how much the shelves take up of if they need to be mounted to the wall.

I posted that because Rick18071 needed a cite number to use.

 

[Paul Sweet]

Would 609.3 (projecting objects above & below grab bars) help? The rear grab bar is supposed to extend beyond the edge of the toilet (604.5.2).

 

[Mr. Inspector]

This shelf unit has a supports on all 4 corners so it has no projections and it is not above or below the rear grab bar, it's in front of it.

 

[Paul Sweet]

If it blocks part of the grab bar then it's an obstruction and an ADA violation.

 

[mark handler]

...in front of it?
???

 

[Mr. Inspector]

I don't enforce ADA only the ICC codes allows shelfs in the water closet clearance and there is nothing that says shelfs can't be in front of the grab bars.