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An average day

Discussion in 'Contractor Talk' started by ICE, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. conarb

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    Shouldn't we be fighting this so even more cost-increasing regulations aren't passed? If this does pass even more multi-family buildings will become non-compliant costing more money to build or remodel driving more people into the streets.
     
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  3. Pcinspector1

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    Plumbing items?
    Cut a hole in the 1-hr wall above the WH tank?
    Tank is elevated 18-inches and has bollard protection unless those yellow things are PVC?
    CA strappin is on and PRV to outside is allowed if no freezing issue.
    GAS- flex line?

    Other issues:
    Is the door solid core or metal? Does the door have self closing hinges?
    Assume the wall with no drywall or insulation is an outside wall.
     
  4. my250r11

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    In post 2287, ICE, Are they going to be doing a 2 or 3 coat plaster in the shower, or tile? We don't see plaster in showers here, and use hardie backer board for tile.
     
  5. mtlogcabin

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    The refrigerator is an appliance and an ignition source (by definition) within the garage and should be elevated 18 inches above the garage floor

    M1307.3 Elevation of ignition source.
    Appliances having an ignition source shall be elevated such that the source of ignition is not less than 18 inches (457 mm) above the floor in garages. For the purpose of this section, rooms or spaces that are not part of the living space of a dwelling unit and that communicate with a private garage through openings shall be considered to be part of the garage.

    APPLIANCE. A device or apparatus that is manufactured and designed to utilize energy and for which this code provides specific requirements.


    IGNITION SOURCE. A flame, spark or hot surface capable of igniting flammable vapors or fumes. Such sources include appliance burners, burner ignitions and electrical switching devices.
     
  6. Pcinspector1

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    I was not aware of this, can't say I see this issue on new inspections but could see it on a remodel inspection . Some refrigerator power cords exit the unit above the 18" mark but they have the compressor typically sitting at the floor level, so is there a chance that's where a spark could happen or is that all sealed?

    Not sure I've ever seen a refrigerator of chest freezer up 18" off the floor but the gas appliance would have to be there also.

    Hummm
     
  7. ICE

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    Edison has been changing service drops from worn out three wire drops to triplex drops. They have seen both of these.

    This looks like it could fall sideways with little force.

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    It was about 100° at the time so that wire is probably as long as it will get.

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  8. Pcinspector1

    Pcinspector1 Platinum Member

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    Which appliances caused the most fires?
    • 14% washing machines (1,723)
    • 12% tumble dryers (1,456)
    • 11% dishwashers (1,324)
    • 9% cookers (1,080)
    • 7% fridges / freezers (861)
    • 5% central heating (606)
    • 4% toasters / grills (495)
    • 4% microwaves (427)
    • 1% vibrators (101)
    Found this on net, not sure where that stats come from, but still interesting
     
  9. conarb

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    Vibrators causing fires? Some like it hot I guess.

    We need a code change for a dedicated circuit behind every bed, and of course we'll need to inspect them to make sure they are working properly, Tiger is going to have a field day inspecting bedrooms. I understand the real reason for emergency egress windows is an escape path in case a husband comes home.
     
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  10. mtlogcabin

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    It would depend on the location of the starting relay and overload relay and their location to the garage floor.
    see diagram below

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  11. Pcinspector1

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    I have to confess, I doctored that list a bit, don't want anyone to get hot and bothered by it!
     
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  12. JCraver

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    Doesn't anyone have a Grandmother? Mine was 5 foot nothing. How was she supposed to get to the stuff in the bottom of the deep freeze if it's another foot and a half above the floor? When she was still here, I'd have dared any man alive to tell her she had to raise it so she couldn't reach it - it wouldn't have gone well for him..

    I 100% disagree that an electric appliance that does not have a heating coil in a garage must be elevated.

    This is bad code, and "capable of producing a spark" is ridiculous terminology - everything electrical is capable of producing a spark. So all outlets in a garage have to be higher than 18" off the floor - after all, the plug on a cord-and-plug appliance is your "ignition source", right? Then if there is a plugged in charger for a cordless tool battery on the floor when you go do your inspection then they fail? What about a water softener? A wine cabinet? Even a box fan?

    Requiring someone to raise non-heating-element electric appliances is poor interpretation, and application, of the code. IMO.
     
  13. mtlogcabin

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    Growing up in Ft Lauderdale all the homes in my neighborhood originally had carports with a enclosed storage room at the rear over time the carports where enclosed making them single car garages. A couple of blocks over the son filled the lawnmower with gas and set the can back inside the closed garage without putting the cap back on the can and closed the door. About 20 minutes later there was an explosion that blew the garage door out. The only ignition source in the garage was a freezer which ignited the fumes from the gas can

    My life experience have seen the results of it happening
     
  14. JCraver

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    I don't disagree that it could happen, or even has happened. I'm just saying that I don't think that's what the code means, and that if it does, it's bad code. Lots of things could happen. Adding the "1 in a millions" to the code is bad for everyone.

    And I'm still not going to make Grandma move her freezer. :)
     
  15. ICE

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    This is the drain for a clothes washer that is located in a detached garage.

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    Coming out of the garage:

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    Entering the house:

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    I was there to inspect an electric service upgrade. I was tempted to tell the owner that ABS can't be exposed to the Sun.
     
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  16. ICE

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    The job is a TI changing from medical offices to business offices. The inspection request stated "T-Bar". That means the grid and everything that is above the grid such as electrical, duct and plumbing.

    The tiles are installed so I can't do an inspection. When I asked why the tiles were installed I was told they had to do that in order to keep the grid from distorting. Apparently, the tiles stiffen things up.

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    The next two pictures are from an area where new T-Bar was not installed.

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  17. conarb

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    PC, somebody better call our Tiger, I hear he's booking vibrator inspections as we speak, of course Mark Handler is salvating at the prospect of condemning all grab bars he's currently passing to comply with the 18" turnup.
     
  18. Pcinspector1

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    Awh...conarbs having a good day!

    I'd rather to be an Hawaiian Tropic bikini inspector myself. Low pay but good benefits, I think.
     
  19. conarb

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    They say some people work for money, others work for power, I'll take the money myself.
     
  20. ICE

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    The permit is an electrical service upgrade. There was plenty wrong at the first inspection. The first picture is the water valve at the main line. The contractor did not bond at the main.. There was only one ground rod and the enclosure was mounted over a hole in the stucco with cable leaving the back. Other mistakes resulted in about eight corrections.

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    An improvement:

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    Here is the GEC secured to the front wall:

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    Here's the drywall screws that he used to secure the GEC:

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    The owner mentioned that the contractor was quite angry with the first list of corrections and he lives far away. Poor guy needs to tune up his act if he's gonna take it on the road.
     
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