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7-29-14

They must do this in other places. Perhaps this is a milestone that gets them a draw.

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Thats a pipe wrapped in black tape. I almost missed it. I will always ask in the future.
 
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ICE said:
7-29-14It's not like they are slouches.



...what we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Those forms don't stand a chance. No wedge ties for one thing. If you no got wedgies, you want heap big stakes.

Brent.
 
MASSDRIVER said:
Those forms don't stand a chance. No wedge ties for one thing. If you no got wedgies, you want heap big stakes.Brent.
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It does look a little weak. I didn't get that feeling when I was there and the crew has experience but I'll pass it along to the inspector that has that area.

This one of the features of this forum that serves us well.
 
It's embarrassing when concrete puddles at your feet. Especially when you want it to be a stem wall.

Ask me how I know.

Brent.
 
ICE said:
7Detail #9 has two sections. A PLAN and B DETAIL.
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How can you blame the grunts in the field? The plan view shows an 18x18x 12" thk footing, but the detail shows the footing min 26" thick. Archy screwed up.
 
ICE said:
7I wrote a correction to raise the vent two feet above the adjacent roof. I wasn't sure if two feet is the right number....I still don't know.
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Except that the horizontal run of pipe is not sloped, I commend their solution. Not only is the pipe higher than the adjacent roof like The Man asked for, but it's also well supported.
 
e hilton said:
Except that the horizontal run of pipe is not sloped, I commend their solution. Not only is the pipe higher than the adjacent roof like The Man asked for, but it's also well supported.
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It's about 85 bucks of home depot crap.

There is no defending that, so please don't.

Brent.
 
e hilton said:
Except that the horizontal run of pipe is not sloped, I commend their solution. Not only is the pipe higher than the adjacent roof like The Man asked for, but it's also well supported.
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Actually, the support is not good at all. A gravity vent is not allowed to have more than one 60 degree bend and the rest at 45 degrees. There is no need for any bends.
 
MASSDRIVER said:
It's about 85 bucks of home depot crap. There is no defending that, so please don't.

Brent.
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Oh, so now you are concerned with cost? When did that become part of your domain?
 
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You have to know boilerplate when you see it. Everyone I drink with knows it's details first, plan second.

Brent.
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Then you're drinking with the wrong crowd. The overall plan should come first, then the appropriate details are selected to suit the conditions. That's how the archy earns his fee.
 
I did not know those details, so i CONCEDE. hOWEVER, i SUSPECT THE INSTALLER WAS CONCERNED THAT RAISING THE PIPE AS HIGH AS YOU WANTED, USING THE SKILLS AND MATERIALS AT HIS DISPOSAL, THE (damn caps lock. sorry) pipe was going to be unsupported. He's wrong, but he did try to make the installation sturdy.
 
e hilton said:
I did not know those details, so i CONCEDE. hOWEVER, i SUSPECT THE INSTALLER WAS CONCERNED THAT RAISING THE PIPE AS HIGH AS YOU WANTED, USING THE SKILLS AND MATERIALS AT HIS DISPOSAL, THE (damn caps lock. sorry) pipe was going to be unsupported. He's wrong, but he did try to make the installation sturdy.
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Oh $h!t kid, he's a plumber. He doesn't know anything about sturdy. It's not sturdy. It is flimsy. And beyond ugly.

Before I hear that ugly is not in the code....I know that and that's what I told the owner....ugly is up to him and he has a right to get a not ugly job.
 
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The job is a service upgrade done by a past owner. The new owner took out a permit.

Notice that the hinge pins are missing.

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The pins are missing because the door will not swing open. It takes a hammer.

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e hilton said:
Oh, so now you are concerned with cost? When did that become part of your domain?
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Really? That's your reply?

Well, I'm a magnanimous bastard and will give you another try. So try harder.

Brent.
 
e hilton said:
Then you're drinking with the wrong crowd. The overall plan should come first, then the appropriate details are selected to suit the conditions. That's how the archy earns his fee.
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You are 180 degrees out of phase friend. You bore down into detail sheets to EXPLAIN the overall plans. Otherwise you would not know about specific connections or dimensions.

Plans say "shear wall 2". You go to the details and schedules to find out what that is, nailing, spacing, frame component size, anchoring hardware specs.

I'm not calling you dumb, but if that is the way you read plans, you should find a mentor or something. Details before plans resolution is basic and industry wide. That's not even arguable.

Brent.
 
There is a misalignment going on here. Doesn't look all that bad.

I used my bionic arm to take the picture.

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Until you see the big picture. It is 6" pipe so the plumber told me it was no big deal because the pipe will never be under pressure. I can't leak if there's no pressure he says.

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I told him that I was putting him under pressure because I want to see a CAL-OSHA trench permit.

Does anybody care about being dead in a trench?

I don't know the stats on how many people suffocate in a trench cave-in every year but it happens too often in SoCal.

That is the topic that started this thread. Damn, I've been yammering on for better than two years and it all looks the same.
 
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You are 180 degrees out of phase friend.
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Apparently we are speaking different languages, I can't believe you and I are this far out of phase. Here's what I'm talking about, with regard to the design of the project. the archy starts with the overall concept, starts with the basic floor plan on sheet A-1 and then the elevations on sheet A-2, then goes into the details. Somewhere along the way there is a foundation sheet that is based on the architectural floor plan, and as part of the foundation plan the archy selects the correct details from his cad files of details and pastes them on the sheet. I really doubt that the archy (or engineer) says "I think on this job i will use a bunch of S-3 footings, I wonder what kind of building I can put over them". The details are a very important and integral part of the design, it's what separates a professional set of plans from the house plans you can order from the back of Southern Living magazine.
 
The drawing that got you guys to talking was a plan in a can. That is evidenced by the conflicting information. Had the reference to the details found on the foundation plan said 9/SD5(A) or (B) there would most likely not been such a mistake. There's always a bunch of details that don't apply. I've had single story buildings with full on elevator details.

I used to plan check...and I asked that all the BS sizzle be replaced with steak.
 
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I will point to a neighbors house and say, "There you are Sir, that's what it is supposed to look like."

That didn't work today.

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