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The inspector was there for a solar inspection. The solar breaker is required to be at the far end of the bus away from the main breaker. It was not. The person that met the inspector moved the breakers from the far end because the bus was scorching. As the inspector was writing a correction, well actually, the inspector was taking notes.... the workman decided to remove the solar breakers. When he touched the breakers he recoiled in pain as they were starting to melt.

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The c-tap and loose ground wire are another issue.
 
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Fifty percent correct is not worth doing at all. 1,5,6 are so far off the mark as to be ridiculous.

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The job was a reroof. The existing sheathing is 1"x6" with gaps as is typical with a tile roof. The new roof covering is asphalt shingles. 1/2" OSB was place over the 1"x6" to provide a substrate for the shingles.

The correction caused them to remove OSB because the strip was not a half sheet. That's not easy to accomplish when the OSB has been stapled. Beyond that correction is the requirement to nail the OSB when staples are more than sufficient.

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IRC Table 602.3(1) Rows 30, 31 and 32 are nails only for wood structural panels on a roof

TABLE R602.3(2)
ALTERNATE ATTACHMENTS TO TABLE R602.3(1) allows staples if the Ultimate Design Wind Speed is less than 130 MPH
Wood structural panels subfloor, roof footnote g

g. Specified alternate attachments for roof sheathing shall be permitted where the ultimate design wind speed is less than 130 mph. Fasteners attaching wood structural panel roof sheathing to gable end wall framing shall be installed using the spacing listed for panel edges.

I imagine ice is in an area with a UDWS is less than 130 mph so the staples should have been code compliant
 
mtlogcabin said:
IRC Table 602.3(1) Rows 30, 31 and 32 are nails only for wood structural panels on a roof

TABLE R602.3(2)
ALTERNATE ATTACHMENTS TO TABLE R602.3(1) allows staples if the Ultimate Design Wind Speed is less than 130 MPH
Wood structural panels subfloor, roof footnote g

g. Specified alternate attachments for roof sheathing shall be permitted where the ultimate design wind speed is less than 130 mph. Fasteners attaching wood structural panel roof sheathing to gable end wall framing shall be installed using the spacing listed for panel edges.

I imagine ice is in an area with a UDWS is less than 130 mph so the staples should have been code compliant
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I was asking about post #4907, not #4908 if you're responding to #4909.

Hard to track with thousands of posts. :)
 
Mech said:
I'm not a California guy, but for #1 I would think the plumbing code also requires a certain minimum distance from the floor to provide an air gap.
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I'm not sure in CA either but IPC 504.6 requires 6" max above the floor or indirect. It also requires the discharge pipe to be no less than two pipe diameters above the floor or indirect presumably for the air gap. I don't know the rationale behind the 6" requirement but it's been there for as long as I can remember.
 
Painting the gas piping outdoors comes from an interpretation of IFGC 403.8 Protective Coating. It is not enforced in my jurisdiction, but it is enforced elsewhere.

As redeyedfly pointed out, a water heater discharge pipe is required to be air-gapped two pipe diameters but not more than 6" in both the IPC and the IRC.

Some items (electrical) are only required to be protected with a nail guard if they are within 1 1/4" of the stud face, but others (plumbing) are 1 1/2". Not sure what was controversial about that one.
 
mtlogcabin said:
IRC Table 602.3(1) Rows 30, 31 and 32 are nails only for wood structural panels on a roof

TABLE R602.3(2)
ALTERNATE ATTACHMENTS TO TABLE R602.3(1) allows staples if the Ultimate Design Wind Speed is less than 130 MPH
Wood structural panels subfloor, roof footnote g

g. Specified alternate attachments for roof sheathing shall be permitted where the ultimate design wind speed is less than 130 mph. Fasteners attaching wood structural panel roof sheathing to gable end wall framing shall be installed using the spacing listed for panel edges.

I imagine ice is in an area with a UDWS is less than 130 mph so the staples should have been code compliant
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The sheathing for the reroof is not structural. The sheathing is merely a substrate for attaching asphalt shingles. The plan check engineers apply a reduction in values when staples are used instead of nails for structural panels. As I recall the values are multiplied by 0.8.
 
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ICE said:
California Plumbing Code:
608.5(3) states that the T&P shall terminate no less than 6” nor more than 24” above grade.
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ICE said:
Protection of plumbing pipe is required if the pipe is less than 1” away from the face of framing. Electrical is required to be protected if less than 1.25” away from the face of framing
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The inspector was stuck on the I-codes instead of California/UPC... on the right track in the wrong train, lol...
 
ICE said:
California Plumbing Code:
608.5(3) states that the T&P shall terminate no less than 6” nor more than 24” above grade.
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Thats the old code that I remember enforcing from the IPC.

I once inspected a job with a garden hose hooked up to a PRV. Not good.
 
redeyedfly said:
I don't know the rationale behind the 6" requirement but it's been there for as long as I can remember.
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Water heater could be located above the first floor. An attic maybe. Easiest outlet could be through the soffit over the front door. T&P dumps at the same time as the Brownie troop rings the door bell to sell GS cookies.
 
If the T&P terminates too close to the ground (ie. less than 6") it can splash back up and scald someone. The 24" limit is to protect the Brownie troop.
 
ICE said:
If the T&P terminates too close to the ground (ie. less than 6") it can splash back up and scald someone. The 24" limit is to protect the Brownie troop.
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That only happens in CA.

The rest of the country wants their citizens scalded.

Seriously, I have no idea why it must discharge within 6" of the floor in IPC.
 
redeyedfly said:
Seriously, I have no idea why it must discharge within 6" of the floor in IPC.
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California has been 6” to 24” for the twenty-five years that I was an inspector. When I saw you talking about IPC and “within 6” of grade” I figured that ICC made a typo when they copied the UPC…..or was it ICBO when that went down.
 
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Somebody should create a chart of what breaker works with what manufacturer. I have to wonder if all of these breakers are interchangeable.


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ICE said:
California has been 6” to 24” for the twenty-five years that I was an inspector. When I saw you talking about IPC and “within 6” of grade” I figured that ICC made a typo when they copied the UPC…..or was it ICBO when that went down?
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Any closer to grade I'd suspect it could freeze, we get a few 6-inch snow accumulation, that could be the reason?
 
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