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ICE

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Doing virtual inspections limits my ability to tell people the truth. Had I been there I would have said it just like it reads. Putting the same words in writing is considered being disrespectful and I get chewed out.....like that makes a difference.

18541 ******* was scheduled for an inspection of corrections related to a service panel upgrade on 12-18-2020. It has been a long day. It is almost four o'clock. I am tired. And then I got to your job. Oh my goodness what a mess. I have no words for the service mast roof flashing. The service entrance conduit needs to be bonded to the enclosure and you made every effort to isolate it....Teflon tape, a rubber gasket and sheet metal screws no less. The grounding electrode conductor is wrapped in tape....well at least you used electrical tape.

So I am stopping now. It is Friday and I might pick it up over the weekend but whatever I do I am convinced that it won't be enough.





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Norcal

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Almost looks like a plumbing reducer screwed into the hub, that style of hub also does not use a gasket, the enclosure opening hole has a upturned flange in the sheet metal to shed water, and as e hilton mentioned the screws are wrong, OEM screws supplied with the hub have machine threads, 10-32, 1/4-20, or 1/4-28. Plus the wrong ground clamp used with armored ground cable, & the tape. Do you ever see good workmanship?

That style hub is used by Anchor, Circle AW (B-Line), & others, GE*, & Midwest (GE owns Midwest), use a similar style hub, but the mounting holes have different center to center mounting hole measurements.

*Should I say ABB? :D They own that former GE division now.
 

ICE

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The first inspection revealed four conduit punched through the top endwall.

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The last line says that this is not permitted. So did the correction that I wrote.

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At the next inspection I found their idea of a fix.


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When I asked to see what was used to seal the top I was shown plastic plugs. Within short order the workman was shouting at me. I ended the face time call and within five minutes I got a call from my office manager. It seems that I have upset a contractor.
 
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Beniah Naylor

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The first inspection revealed four conduit punched through the top endwall.

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The last line says that this is not permitted. So did the correction that I wrote.

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At the next inspection I found their idea of a fix.


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When I asked to see what was used to seal the top I was shown plastic plugs. Within short order the workman was shouting at me. I ended the face time call and within five minutes I got a call from my office manager. It seems that In have upset a contractor.
Are the load conductors still entering the box too high on the wall of the box? I vaguely remember there being a manufacturer rule about that, but I could be confused.
 

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Are the load conductors still entering the box too high on the wall of the box? I vaguely remember there being a manufacturer rule about that, but I could be confused.
Technically, the listing of the 3R enclosure has been voided. I say technically because if you ask Schneider Electric for a letter they will tell you that the manufacturer provided a sufficient number of knockouts and drilling/punching holes voids the 3R listing. If you just ask Schneider for an opinion without a letter you get a different answer. As long as the 3R feature is maintained with rain-tight entries they are forgiven the fact that it voids a listing.

The label pretty much says that. It states that load conductors are not to exit through the endwall. There's no knockouts in the endwall....so if the issue were that only knockouts are allowed to be used and drilling/punching holes is outlawed it would not need to mention the endwall. Since it does mention the endwall where there is no knockouts but not the sidewall where there is a ko one could extrapolate his way into drilling the sidewall with abandon.
 

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What I find odd about this is that it happened within a day or two of the post just before it. The discussion was about violating a listing by drilling holes and then this contractor hit one out of the park.
 

Norcal

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Technically, the listing of the 3R enclosure has been voided. I say technically because if you ask Schneider Electric for a letter they will tell you that the manufacturer provided a sufficient number of knockouts and drilling/punching holes voids the 3R listing. If you just ask Schneider for an opinion without a letter you get a different answer. As long as the 3R feature is maintained with rain-tight entries they are forgiven the fact that it voids a listing.

The label pretty much says that. It states that load conductors are not to exit through the endwall. There's no knockouts in the endwall....so if the issue were that only knockouts are allowed to be used and drilling/punching holes is outlawed it would not need to mention the endwall. Since it does mention the endwall where there is no knockouts but not the sidewall where there is a ko one could extrapolate his way into drilling the sidewall with abandon.
If the entries are above live parts, hubs, sealing locknuts, or other means, must be used to prevent the entry of water into the enclosure, and those punched holes are above live parts.

What has me wondering is what was done with the service entrance conductors in the last photos? Looks like a UG only panel, normally power companies do not like them in LB's. & they sure went crazy with the gutters. :D Without photos with the covers off it is hard to tell what they were up to.
 

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Open KO's always annoy me because it's a invite for rodents to take up residence & cause carnage, by doing what they do best, chewing, peeing, & pooping, all over everything.
 

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What has me wondering is what was done with the service entrance conductors in the last photos? Looks like a UG only panel, normally power companies do not like them in LB's. & they sure went crazy with the gutters. :D Without photos with the covers off it is hard to tell what they were up to.
The damage is in the section just below the meter. The service lateral comes in at the section just to the left.
 

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Any clown who does this, should be tarred and feathered themselves! Friggen hacks, won't even begin to call them a "tradesperson".

If this was my roof, I would get a professional roofer in there, get it fixed right, and deduct it from the bill for the service work. Settle it in small claims court.

Mechanical people are just as bad sometimes.

EDIT: I went back, I see this is tied to the thread above, where they butchered the enclosure also.......go figure.
 

e hilton

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Am i seeing that right? The copper wires that come up through the middle knockout ... twist around ... but aren’t attached to anything.
 
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